The Whole Neptune Thing . . . one more time!

With transiting Neptune forming a waxing square to my natal Mercury/ASC in Scorpio and doing that from the 3rd House, it’s not too surprising to find the elusive, illusive fellow on my mind. It’s always a challenge to articulate exactly how Neptune operates in the best of circumstances and with all this going on I really feel like I’m wandering around in a haze these days. However, being a hardcore Mercury type I plan on persisting to see if there is some sense to be found . . .

I found myself thinking about the dynamics of Moon conjunct Neptune on my morning commute. Over the years, the charge of being emotionally elusive has been laid on me more than once by both family members and guys I was seeing. If the Moon/Neptune connection works in a similar manner to Moon in Pisces, then it’s possible that even though I see myself as a kind, empathetic sort others will see me as distant emotionally. Pisces is about universal compassionate concern for the well-being of their fellow travelers as opposed to the nitty-gritty daily emotional stuff most of our lives are made of. It’s somehow easier to see ourselves as caring for the many rather that focusing on what’s right in front of us. Plus with Neptune involved, intimacy can mean pain as in feeling too much of other’s pain and unless there are hard-wiring problems most learn to avoid pain.

The worst problems come with seeing the unmanifested potential in others and acting as if it is the real thing . . . not a good idea. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of learning first and foremost who we are, what we want, what we can live with and what we can’t. Neptune influences can lend this lovely, romantic aura and are very good at disguising the nasty, sordid realities of being human. Personally, I think the person who came up the concept of Romantic Love should have been drawn and quartered! But that’s just one person’s perspective . . .

Neptune moves very slowly and by transit seems to have the most effect when it forms exact aspects to natal personal planets. We can go months without being aware of his work in our lives. In fact, if I didn’t have this Mars/Mercury/ASC collection from 20 Scorpio to 25 Scorpio, I probably wouldn’t be so aware of the Neptune effect now. Gotta get used to it because Neptune will be moving over those degrees for about another 3-5 years . . . Conjunctions, squares and oppositions by transiting Neptune are the most keenly felt and with Neptune currently residing in Aquarius that means late degree Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio and Leo are getting the “ouch” transits.

This is from our first trip out looking for the elusive morel . . . . very Neptunian, the mushroom.

39 responses to “The Whole Neptune Thing . . . one more time!

  1. The worst problems come with seeing the unmanifested potential in others and acting as if it is the real thing . . . not a good idea.If I’m not mistaken, my Neptune in the 7th leads me down this path often.Talk about feeling in a haze lately. I have been battling a chronic ear infection since March whose symptoms include slight dizziness at times. I just saw a specialist yesterday and am off work for a few days with drops and medication to try to clear it up. I’m used to doing things and being busy, and I am not taking this well at all.It’s also forcing me to rely on other people and their generosity, something that makes me uncomfortable. *sigh*

  2. It’s also forcing me to rely on other people and their generosity, something that makes me uncomfortable. *sigh*That’s a tough one, isn’t it?! Scorpio lessons are often ones about control as are Capricorn. And with a Scorp Sun & Cap Moon, you may be prone to thinking nobody can take care of business as well as you. Oh yah, 6th house sun is very devoted to the idea of being a good worker bee. :-)Neptune in the 7th can be particularly given to seeing the unmanifested in others & giving them credit that they haven’t earned in real time, though I think you are able to see thru a lot of the crap before too much damage has been done. Do you trust your initial take on people?

  3. It isn’t always accurate. Usually something in me reacts positively or negatively to a new person, only to later discover I was dead wrong. So my motto is “learn and discern.”

  4. You remind me of something I read by Somerset Maugham in my favorite book “The Razor’s Edge” about passion. Which is what I think romantic love really is. I’ll look it up this evening.joe, know how you feel. I went through a thing with my ears a while back where the crystals in the ear got out of alignment and I felt dizzy all the time, especially when walking through the atrium at work. Weird feeling. The cure was being turned upside down and then not sleeping laying down for two days. Good luck with your ears.

  5. It isn’t always accurate. Usually something in me reacts positively or negatively to a new person, only to later discover I was dead wrong. So my motto is “learn and discern.”Ha, Ha, Ha!! Not that i always follow it but my first impression is usually quite correct. Looks like having Neptune conjunct the Descendant does interfere with the ability to “read” others. Maybe you just need to check your first impression and then go with the opposite! 🙂

  6. The cure was being turned upside down and then not sleeping laying down for two days. Good luck with your earsOMG! What a cure!! Better than having the dizzies though . . . they make me quite nauseous. Yuk!

  7. I think it does interfere to some degree, so that’s a good clue.Upside down, Casey? Oh my… well, I’m willing to try anything. I’m so sick of it all.

  8. The worst problems come with seeing the unmanifested potential in others and acting as if it is the real thing . . . not a good idea.Ha, ha, ha, indeed! And even funnier that when I went to leave a comment, it was the first quote on the page (way to go, Joe).When I was going through a heart-wrenching breakup with my last partner, a friend of mine who was a minister in some New Age church said, “Pat, you aren’t in love with J–, you’re in love with the potential of J–.” That was my first indication that I do exactly what you’re talking about. And even though I’m aware of it, I just can’t help it. Isn’t that the whole concept behind the “Namaste” greeting – something like, “The god in me greets the god in you.” So I guess you’re supposed to see it, but then have the infinite wisdom to know that what you’re seeing really isn’t there??And yes, it’s totally a Moon in Pisces thing, although I didn’t figure that out until much later, either.The flip side – and oh, boy, is there one – is that we also have a way of getting to the root cause of conflict, be it in an individual or in a group (e.g., office), and whether we intend to or not, we start acting according, which mirrors the behavior back at them. Then guess what happens?

  9. I’m back! Oh yea, I am sore and hurt and ready to relax. The warrior has returned home to heal. I commented at Raging Universe to let JM know I was back and ready to get my heal on. I have seen much anger and it only gets worse as the days go on. Where is all this anger and hatred coming from? It is worse than ever. It hurts to see people display this much hate for their fellow brothers and sisters.

  10. oh, donnie, welcome back. You need to go to that place Neith is talking about — just look at the green forest and the blue waters and get away from all the hatred out there. I find that being alone really helps when the world is getting too strident.Couldn’t find that passage from Maugham but it went how you can spend years of your passion on a person only to find they weren’t as worth hanging onto as a stick of gum. hee.The Celts would talk about how one person would “wear the face of the god/goddess for you.” My yoga teacher always said we love those who put us in touch with the love in ourselves. I’m missing my old sweetie the last few days. “It’s your eyes I want to see, looking into mine.” Song lyrics always do that to me.

  11. I am busy today, looking for “orcas” — not the whale. But stuck working for Marine and looking for underwater salt lakes in the ocean. Who knew there were such things?

  12. So I guess you’re supposed to see it, but then have the infinite wisdom to know that what you’re seeing really isn’t there??LOL! Yes, it’s an ongoing challenge to sort out. I have to draw on the pragmatism of my Scorp stuff most of the time as I have little Earth in my chart. Air & Fire seems far more susceptible to wandering down this particular garden path . . .The flip side – and oh, boy, is there one – is that we also have a way of getting to the root cause of conflict, be it in an individual or in a group (e.g., office), and whether we intend to or not, we start acting according, which mirrors the behavior back at them. Then guess what happens? Libra wants to balance the energy in any situation if allowed . . . another one of those little difficulties that keep coming up! Which is why I like to work at home ALONE!!! 🙂

  13. ((((Donnie)))))!! Good to see you survived another round . . . :-)I have seen much anger and it only gets worse as the days go on. Where is all this anger and hatred coming from? It is worse than ever. It hurts to see people display this much hate for their fellow brothers and sisters.It always seems to me that it’s easy to fuel anger & hatred rather than soothe it. There is a possibility that like all conflagrations when all the fuel is consumed it will die a natural death. I’m left wondering just what will be left . . . never underestimate humanity’s capacity to go for the lowest common denominator. 🙂

  14. Couldn’t find that passage from Maugham but it went how you can spend years of your passion on a person only to find they weren’t as worth hanging onto as a stick of gum. hee.Ha, Ha, Ha!! good one! 🙂 am busy today, looking for “orcas” — not the whale. But stuck working for Marine and looking for underwater salt lakes in the ocean. Who knew there were such things?Well, that’s a totally new one for me too. Is it like a concentration of salts & minerals that are still in solution?! file under “Odd Facts” . . . .

  15. It’s a super-salty layer of water in the ocean. And I mean it’s REALLY salty and salt is a very plastic and fast medium (very moldable), so it actually settles in a flat incline like a lake would on land.

  16. That’s pretty cool Casey. Kinda far out there, but cool just the same. I read an article recently about a super planet they found. It’s larger than earth, but might be able to sustain life. I’ll look for the link.

  17. I remember that, Donnie. jm had something to say about it, as well she might. :o) If you have time, it may be worth going back to look for it.

  18. OMG! The moment I posted that reply I had to get off my computer because we just had the WORST. STORM. I’VE. EVER. BEEN. IN. HERE. Worse than the straight-line wind that took down the electric pylons. Worse than Hurricane Alicia and Tropical Storm Allison. For sheer intensity and amount of water coming down from the sky — the highest flooding we’ve ever had! We always get flooding on my street — it usually comes up above the sidewalk and we can’t drive in it.Well tonight it’s up to the house. And there’s all kind of debris floating in it. And it just finished HAILING. HAIL. THE SIZE OF LEMONS. FOR THREE HOURS. my poor little car. it’s hail-damaged. There was no room for it in the garage.My best friend called and she had to rescue some new baby kittens who were drowning in the rain. They literally couldn’t move the rain was beating down on them so hard. We must have gotten 7″ of rain. And my neighborhood was just on the news. Because this storm seemed to be created right over my house. Again and again and again. I swear I counted four separate outbreaks of hail. And the radar showed that it was right over my house that the storm seemed to just be springing up from.whew. Had to tell you guys. Just to get it out. It was SCARY!!

  19. I wonder if that’s what all the herons were trying to tell me today. I walked out of the house this morning and a heron flew about 10′ over my head. Then I picked up Eve and we were driving to work and 10 herons flew in a v-formation over the car. Then when I drove home this evening, a heron flew over my car and landed on a telephone pole where I was waiting for the light to change.I tell you, I see more herons than anybody I’ve ever heard of. Now, if I could just figure out what they’re trying to tell me.

  20. It’s started raining again. mommy.Send it to tseka & me!! We’re both in regions that could use some of that wet stuff. I generally like stormy weather but what you’re getting sounds just a little over the top . . . good thing your bedroom is on the second floor!I tell you, I see more herons than anybody I’ve ever heard of. Now, if I could just figure out what they’re trying to tell me.Move to higher ground?! ‘grin’ BTW, that info about the undersea salt lakes is way cool!

  21. NO!pleaseDO NOT send it to tseka!We get just those kind of storms here Casey. Hail that defies logic. Square cubes- have you ever? Cyclonic winds and floods that become rivers with crashing waves in a matter of minutes. Rivers that go wherever they want to causing all manner of destruction. Monsoon season is still to come. I can wait.Send it all to Neith! She has deeply rooted trees that hold the earth in place.We actually have had a very nice spring with some gentle rains, the earth is still wet a shovel down into the soil. The trees and shrubs are all recovering from the deep freeze. Very pleasant.

  22. Even better, send it to northern MN where there are wildfires burning up everything in sight due to several dry seasons!Your description is terrifying.

  23. Well, it’s all calm again. So weird. The storm kept forming over my house again and again. Seriously. The radar would be good to the south and then there would be more PURPLE colored blobs that would just pop up on the radar right where my house is.We got some limbs down, leaves are plastered to everything, garbage is all over the place, but the water receded by about 11:00. People have left deep ruts through my yard where they drove through it instead of the street. grrr. About 5 sets, I’d say.All my neighbors were outside, comparing notes this morning. It’s NOT a good thing when your neighborhood is on the news in a city as big as Houston. Hope you guys get some soft, gentle rain soon. Yeah, it’s monsoon season here, Tseka. And they say it’s supposed to be an active hurricane year. Yep, neith. That’s what I think those herons were saying too.And AMAZINGLY, no pock marks on my car. Yay!

  24. The weather has been really freaky lately. Down here in Katrinaland, we usually get it after it passes over Texas. Each time severe weather comes, it seems to get worse. To make it worse, a named stormed has already formed and we hit 90 degrees at the end of April already. Talk about Deja Vu! If we get hit again this summer, all hell will break lose. Get ready for mega gas prices if we get hit here again. Prices are already at post Katrina prices. Just imagine what will happen with the prices already up.

  25. Your description is terrifying. Yah, I’ll say! It’s been quite awhile since we’ve had any kind of thunder/hail/storm here and ours are mild in comparison. Winds up to 40-50mph are not unusual here but without the rain. So glad your car came through with no dings, Casey….for some reason, I woke up thinking about that!If we get hit again this summer, all hell will break lose. Get ready for mega gas prices if we get hit here again. Prices are already at post Katrina prices. Just imagine what will happen with the prices already up.Good morning, Donnie! I totally agree with your assessment here. We are facing $3.46/gal for regular unleaded now and a co-worker & i were speculating the very real possibility of the price going over $4/gal in the near future. Shoot, when it costs me over $30 to fill up my little ‘ole 87 Nissan pickup, I cringe. And all the big SUVs & pickups around here must be pushing $100 a visit to the gas station.Well, we have the Mars in Pisces squaring Pluto at 28Sagittarius coming up Sunday & that ought to add to this general atmosphere of unrest! Watch out for cosmic fireworks and stay cool . . . 🙂

  26. Well, if we were still doing the political/astrological blogging, this would be an interesting time to dissect. Right up Pat’s alley. I swear I hear them say “impeachment” on the news yesterday before the storm took over the tv news.

  27. Casey, I’ve actually thought of the hurricane season and perhaps I’ll take a look at the charts. I thought last year would be bad, with the Saturn-Neptune-Jupiter T-square. But ironically, that seemed to sort of hold things in place. I went to a great talk last night by evolutionary astrology Rose Marcus (will do a review soon), and she reminded us that Saturn-Jupiter trines are a great enabler. It clears the way for events to happen, with no distinction as to whether these events are “good” or “bad.” I’ve been through a scary storm like that, a few years ago, in France. A thunderstorm stayed directly overhead for three hours and blew every piece of electrical and telephone equipment in the area. I had unplugged all of my computer equipment but forgot to unplug my phone. Lightning came through the line and fried the internal modem in my laptop with a loud zap. One of our neighbors was talking to someone on the phone, and the receiver was blown out of her hand. I didn’t fear for my life, since those old stone houses have been standing for centuries, but to hear thunder that loud for three hours was truly scary.

  28. I went to a great talk last night by evolutionary astrology Rose Marcus (will do a review soon), and she reminded us that Saturn-Jupiter trines are a great enabler. It clears the way for events to happen, with no distinction as to whether these events are “good” or “bad.”Pat! What a find that is about Saturn-Jupiter trines! It would appear you are in the right place at the right time for you. Did you have a chance to go over to Astrotabletalk to read Dharmaruci’s post on his workshop with Liz Greene?!

  29. Did you have a chance to go over to Astrotabletalk to read Dharmaruci’s post on his workshop with Liz Greene?!Nope, but on your recommendation, I just did! Wow, what an opportunity that would have been! Still, I feel very blessed to have the exposure to people like Barbara Hand Clow and Michael Lutin. And Rose Marcus was amazing. I actually learned things about my chart I didn’t know — for example, that I was born four hours before Neptune went retrograde!More when I can…

  30. I hope your first Motherless Day goes well, neith.Thank you for thinking of me, jm. We spend the morning up in the mountains looking for morels w/my dad. I’m getting to know my father much better and he’s a sweetheart. Part of the cycle of something leaving & something coming in. This year we’ve lost two family members, gained two more and have two weddings between now & October . . . We’re going to have a memorial service for my mom June 2nd at my dad’s & all of us kids will be involved one way or another. It will be interesting I’m sure & I know there will be family there that I haven’t seen in years . . . sun in Gemini, Moon in Capricorn, hmmmmm

  31. My family is big on memorial services and they are all fantastic events. Lots of memories, laughter, tears, poetic expression, joy. People speak up in ways you never would have imagined, and they are altogether fulfilling way away from the morbidity of funerals in our culture. Death is the greatest release and probably a reuniting and cause for celebration in my experience. A reuniting with the survivors and ourselves also occurs for some. It’s a new life when our parents die. A big passage. It takes a minute to adjust. A loooooong minute, especially after a long life together.

  32. I’m with you on memorial services as opposed to funerals . . YUK!!! Our family does well with memorials too. My mom wrote her memoirs (a short one) & we’re going to offer those to other family members. She had this wry sense of humor & it really comes through in her writing. It will be a good time though I’m going to be busy getting ready. Gotta have a clean house, doncha know . . . :-)I plan on doing a post at some point in time about the changes that are emerging in both my life & my dad’s.

  33. The memoirs sound wonderful. My mother was such a character that now, my sister and I laugh when we talk about her, along with an honesty about how bad she was too. My cousin does the most hysterical imitation imaginable (Moon in Leo). These things are the precious parts of the memories and they not only linger forever, they gain power and joy as time goes on. We siblings have this special connection and some prize it. The talks we have about them are surprisingly absent of pain.I plan to have a weekend in my home with my sister and cousins to celebrate our parents (all gone now). The journey takes a lot of interesting twists and turns.Clean house??? Yeah, I know.

  34. These things are the precious parts of the memories and they not only linger forever, they gain power and joy as time goes on. We siblings have this special connection and some prize it. This is so true. My inclination, that’s beginning to surface(Mercury in the 12th), is a need to “circle the wagons” so to speak. I want my friends & family closer to me where I can keep an eye on them. The awareness that life is so short & love shared is beyond precious humbles me . . . Mind you, if I’m going to have relatives around, I want to be able to pick and choose which ones . . . ‘grin’

  35. I want my friends & family closer to me where I can keep an eye on them. NN in Gemini at its best. How ’bout this. Remember my father’s SN in Gemini? Not one of his siblings helped him after my mother died.I think you’re going to enjoy this part of it. Starting with the Gemini memorial service.

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