The Natal Chart in Synastry, Part 4 – Saturn

Saturn has gotten a lot of bad press over the years yet he has been my saving grace more often than not when Neptune, Uranus or Pluto embroiled me in their fun and games. As an astrologer, I look to Saturn in the natal chart to show how the individual handles their responsibilities to others and themselves. In fact, if we don’t learn to be responsible to ourselves first, the chances of us being there for others is not too great.

As a person with a natal out-of-sign Sun/Saturn square, I grew up with one or the other of my parents (Saturn) keeping my nose to the grindstone. We had a small family farm and we all had lots of chores to do. In general people with Saturn in aspect to their Sun, no matter the nature of the aspect, are often given responsibilities at an early age and are pretty much going to be made to attend to them. The effect of a Sun/Saturn aspect on how we relate as adults is often dependant on other aspects to our Suns. If we have a Jupiter or Venus aspect to the Sun natally, we will tend to develop a more optimistic outlook, and be less likely to choose a “parent” for a partner. If not, it may take several Saturn cycles including the Saturn Return to help us realize how valuable we are.

The Moon in aspect to Saturn has a sobering effect on our emotions and habits. We are often like Moon in Capricorn, very cautious and aware of where we fit into our social group; and likely to be “old” when we are young and “young” as we age. With a natal Moon/Saturn sextile myself, I know this pattern well. Saturn can have a dampening effect on the Moon, making one lean towards choosing friends and lovers based on whether they are reliable rather than exciting. That is unless Uranus is also aspecting the Moon, then all bets are off!

Venus in aspect to Saturn?! I have one of those too. With Venus in Sagittarius in the 1st House, having Saturn trine to it probably keep me from doing too many wild and crazy things. However, it’s possible with Venus in aspect to Saturn to be so conventional and hedged about by the need to fit in; all the fun can be drained out of life. This aspect is the one most associated with undervaluing our feeling of being desirable. Here again if we are patient with Saturn’s lessons we can learn how to unfold our wings and transform our self-image. People with Venus/Saturn aspects are sometimes the ones who undertake a healthy diet and exercise program to very good effect – mostly because they stay with it long enough to see real results. We attract partners who appreciate someone who demonstrates reliability, not very romantic but good for lasting relationships with others.

When it comes to Mars/Saturn aspects natally, I have to go with what I’ve observed in others, like my sister who has Mars conjunct Saturn in Cancer. She can work longer and harder without letting up than anyone I know – except for others with Mars in close aspect to Saturn. This aspect can cause deep frustration of the need to act but at the same time it gives great endurance. Mars/Saturn aspects function similarly to Mars in Capricorn, one of the placements of Mars said to give one a steady sex drive but very controlled. This aspect suggests this individual is going to take their time before committing to a relationship but if they do, they’ll be around for the long haul. Sometimes Saturn can give Mars a fear of taking action and lead to a situation of complete impasse.

With an accurate birth time, we can also find out if Saturn is conjunct the Ascendant or Midheaven in the chart. Those with Saturn on the Ascendant tend to present a dour face to the world even if they are fun loving and sociable in privacy. If we wish to draw a partner more in tune with who we are at home, we need to keep in mind to show this self more often. Saturn on the Midheaven is an indicator of someone who is all business on the job even if they are a party animal away from the office. In both these cases, it usually pays to take the time (Saturn) to get to know them in different settings.

This is more or less the cliff notes version of how Saturn works natally. I highly recommend getting a hold of a copy of Liz Greene’s book, “Saturn: a new look at an old devil”. Almost every astrologer I’ve ever talked agrees this book is the definitive source of information on Saturn. My copy is well read because it’s a staple reference book in my astrology library.

This post also appears on Lynn Hayes’s blog, Astrodynamics, where she graciously asked Dharmaruci and I to guest post this week!! 🙂

The World tarot card from Toni Allen’s amazing deck. This is the card that represents Saturn, interestingly enough!

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20 responses to “The Natal Chart in Synastry, Part 4 – Saturn

  1. Neith, this is great because I’m getting my copy of that Liz Greene book tomorrow (I ordered it online). Coincidence! She also talks about Saturn in her book Relating, which I devoured.You have a lot of Saturn aspects, so a lot of experience with that energy.Lately I’ve been more and more aware of the implications of time and timing in our lives and Saturn is all about that and also permanence. I agree that Saturn has a lot of ‘bad press’ because when it comes down to it, permanence and stability are essencial in relationships. I can’t really talk because with a Venus-Saturn conjunction I’m suspicious 😉 But relationships tend to last, feelings last, and in time they transform and sometimes being patient works.

  2. Neith, this is great because I’m getting my copy of that Liz Greene book tomorrow (I ordered it online). Coincidence! She also talks about Saturn in her book Relating, which I devoured.You will love it! Liz Greene’s writing is clear and easy to read unlike some other astrologers. Have you been reading Dana Gerhardt’s articles on the Houses over on Astrodienst? She’s another who’s writing i find very easy to understand. Here’s a link: Dana Gerhardt, HousesYeah, your Saturn/Venus conjunction is also inconjunct your Moon . . . we could be Libra and call you “careful” when it comes to relationships!! LOL! But, hey, you are figuring it out!

  3. What a helpful post, Neith. As one who also has out of sign Sun sq Saturn and Moon trine Saturn natally the need for a certain acceptance of past difficulties and restrictions, steady effort and patience are the lessons I have learned from him. Not always a load of laughs but sometimes you can find a quiet chuckle!Liz Greene’s “Saturn” was the first astrology book I purchased many, many years ago. It is excellent

  4. LOL Neith! Yes, let’s be Libra about it, why not? I’m ‘careful’ alright ;)Thanks for that link. I haven’t read that yet.

  5. What a helpful post, Neith. As one who also has out of sign Sun sq Saturn and Moon trine Saturn natally the need for a certain acceptance of past difficulties and restrictions, steady effort and patience are the lessons I have learned from him. Not always a load of laughs but sometimes you can find a quiet chuckle!Thank you! This was one i put more effort into since it was also posted to Lynn’s blog. She gets a LOT more traffic than I.Saturn’s lessons are the best in the long term if tough to take at first. Some of the most relaxed and comfortable with themselves people I’ve met have been Capricorns over 50.…that wasn’t very clear. When I wrote “him” I meant Saturn!Yes, I caught that! I use gender related personal pronouns for the planets all the time and my readers whose first language is not English (Hi Devil Mood!!)appreciate it. 🙂

  6. LOL Neith! Yes, let’s be Libra about it, why not? I’m ‘careful’ alright 😉ha, ha, ha!! still chuckling . . .

  7. Hey Neith, great article! I’m going to post it on my blog at theastrologer.comI’ve got Saturn conjunct Moon in my chart. “Caretaking overfunctioner” is how I see it in a nutshell. It’s in the 7th, too, but I’ve graduated to a partner who can take care of himself and doesn’t mind taking care of me once in a while either. A refreshing change of pace!

  8. Hey Neith, great article! I’m going to post it on my blog at theastrologer.comWOW!! Thanks! Us Saturn types always seem to recognize one another . . . 🙂 And I’m always delighted to hear another example of a Saturn success story because it’s my observation and belief we can make headway with Saturn aspects, and learn to enjoy life!

  9. Yikes, talk about accurate! I don’t have many Saturn aspects, the strongest one is Saturn conj. Mercury. I am very thorough in my thoughts and research and I choose my words very carefully. If I’m not sure how to word it I think it through again until it feels right.My father on the other hand… Mars conj. Saturn, MC sq. Saturn, Moon conj Saturn, Asc opp. Saturn, Jupiter Sq. Saturn and a slew of Biquintiles. He’s a work horse, tight with the emotions. He over did it so badly with the working that this Friday he suffered a pretty strong stroke! Now he’s in the hospital regaining function in his left side. It’s so hard to see him that way, my strong robust father… but the universe doles out lessons accordingly I guess.

  10. Great post. Im loving this new synastry site of yours…especially this series on the outer planets.Poor Saturn does get a bad rap and maybe because he is not as exicting as Uranus, dangerous as Pluto or as magical as Neptune but Saturn really has a wonderful magic that is completely underestimated…much like the planet itself.

  11. Poor Saturn does get a bad rap and maybe because he is not as exciting as Uranus, dangerous as Pluto or as magical as Neptune but Saturn really has a wonderful magic that is completely underestimated…much like the planet itself.Completely agree, Skye11. The thing I like about Saturn is he can be worked with. The outermost three are strictly speaking beyond our abilities to easily comprehend but good ole Saturn is very straight forward. You do the work and collect the rewards! Restful in a way . . . =grin=

  12. “Those with Saturn on the Ascendant tend to present a dour face to the world even if they are fun loving and sociable in privacy.”*waves* :o) Guilty!

  13. “Those with Saturn on the Ascendant tend to present a dour face to the world even if they are fun loving and sociable in privacy.”*waves* :o) Guilty!LOL! And it’s interesting that you are far more socialable here in cyberspace, not to mention very, very funny. 🙂

  14. Isn’t it! Add the weighty Cap Moon and it can really get dour. Thank heavens for the mellowing influence of Mercury in Gemini. And you know what else, I realized that I do a lot of life transitions and changes “backwards” from what others may do. I’m well-ahead of my peers in homeownership and credit rating and all those “adult” things, and now with Pluto plowing through my 8th, or just about, well, inner changes are going on. ;o)It must be that Outer Planet People thing you mentioned from Donna Cunningham.

  15. And you know what else, I realized that I do a lot of life transitions and changes “backwards” from what others may do. I’m well-ahead of my peers in homeownership and credit rating and all those “adult” things, and now with Pluto plowing through my 8th, or just about, well, inner changes are going on. ;o)Yes those all are good Saturn/Capricorn things! And here’s hoping you continue to grow “lighter” as well as older. It takes Saturnine types longer to learn how to play but they get there. 🙂It must be that Outer Planet People thing you mentioned from Donna Cunningham.heh, the outer planet that affected me most when i was young was Neptune. Saturn didn’t get his licks until after my Saturn Return – that’s when the idea of maybe getting the tiniest bit grounded started to filter through . . . 🙂 Now I have the good credit rating, homeownership, etc., but i was about your age when I got serious about those things.

  16. In general people with Saturn in aspect to their Sun, no matter the nature of the aspect, are often given responsibilities at an early age and are pretty much going to be made to attend to them.Very true of me. Saturn square Sun-stellium.

  17. having Saturn trine to it [Venus] probably keep me from doing too many wild and crazy things.I have that trine too. I’d say overall, yes, I’m disciplined about love.But then, I have that pesky Uranus at the front door to my 7H… when it kicks in, all bets are off!!

  18. But then, I have that pesky Uranus at the front door to my 7H… when it kicks in, all bets are off!!Well, Saturn is scheduled to turn Rx here soon and head back towards your Pluto/Venus conjunction and that will help counteract Uranus!! 🙂

  19. Hi Neith,Love your insights. Your comments about Saturn on the Midheaven are exact!! I remember a specific incident where a co-worker was shocked when I jokingly called one of our clients a goober. I was unaware my persona was so ‘business-like’ up till that point. Some of my clients also mentioned that I was ‘all business’. It was a good wake-up to relax and open up more with others in the biz world. :0)Warmest Regards!

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