Saturn in Libra and Cyberspace Assumptions

[This picture of my new Border Collie puppy has nothing to do with the post but I couldn’t resist the opportunity to share . . . she is adorable. New moms and all that! :-)]

As astrologers we work with the “numbers” of human relationships and despite our often amazingly good results, what works on paper can fail to take into account the circumstances of each individual’s life experiences. It’s the assumptions that can come back to bite us in the backside and this is particularly true for those of us who meet in cyberspace.

I have met many people out here in the far-reaching realms of the internet and have come to enjoy my time here very, very much. With a natal Moon in sociable Libra in the eleventh house trine detached curious Uranus in Gemini plus a North Node in Gemini in the seventh house; I am happy circulating, exchanging thoughts and ideas and chatting with my cyberfriends. BUT, and it’s a big one, if you were to visit me in the real world, you would likely be surprised at what a solitary, quiet person I am (Pisces on the IC).

During the course of an average week, the only person I see on a daily basis is my dear Aries spouse and he is usually gone all day working. Most Sundays my dad comes for lunch and usually heads home after an hour to watch football or baseball, depending on the season. My sister and I talk on the phone about once a week and I meet my Libra woman friend for lunch in town every couple of weeks. A social butterfly I am not and never have been.

The point I wish to make is how easy it is to assume those we meet in cyberspace have lives similar to ours, come from backgrounds like ours and most of the time these assumptions would be WRONG. For instance, I live in a rural area and grew up on a small family farm. Part of my responsibilities from the time I was around nine-ten years old until I was almost seventeen, was milking cows by hand twice a day, year in and year out. There were very, very few breaks in that schedule. Our nearest neighbors were about a mile away and almost the only time I saw my friends was during the school year.

Today roughly 75% of the population lives in an urban environment, leaving 25% who live in rural areas. Translated this means most of you I met online do not share this reference point with me. You grew up with next door neighbors either in an apartment building or in suburbia. Music, movies, clubbing, eating out almost every day, hanging with friends at the nearest mall or coffee shop – all not part of my life, then or now, and that means most references to songs, musicians, etc go right over my head. I credit my North Node in Gemini in my seventh house plus the gift of intense interest and curiosity about what makes people tick from having Mars-Mercury conjunct in Scorpio in aiding me bridge this gulf.

I am doing my best to keep my assumptions about my cyberfriends in check because with Saturn in Libra urging us all to take care in our relationships now, this seems a good idea to me. There is a good possibility of severe consequences to acting on wrong assumptions about others right now. It’s called Pluto in Capricorn squaring Saturn. Offering advice or opinions based on wrong assumptions could bring the Pluto axe down, and we could end up with a stump instead of a relationship.

I recommend checking your assumptions before going online and chatting, or else be prepared for the consequences. That being said, I’m planning on sticking around, reading and commenting of various blogs and websites and generally behaving like the air sign Moon I am.

Anyone else running into “assumption” walls these days?

27 responses to “Saturn in Libra and Cyberspace Assumptions

  1. M'eh, assumptions. Been there. I'm battling the paranoia and "attitude" on the web and in real life, lately. I'm so sick of reading people's childish tantrums in threads, and will make it a point not to visit sites if I have enough. It's not about whether I can take anger from others– I can. It's about whether that anger inspires or divides us, and most of the jabber attempts to divide us and is a waste of time. And when it divides us or sounds uber bratty, I get angry and either I make it go away… or I go away.Pretty sure you know about that from my blog posts, though :). Puppy is ADORABLE. Rock on, proud mommy!

  2. Yeah!The power of long-term observation…it's immeasurable. Case in point: I've met people online who claim to have such strong "senses" they can tell me things about myself. Now, maybe they are right, but I still it's RUDE to say so. (BTW if I do this, you have permission to give me a cyber-smackdown). ;)Also…I lived in the country until I was 12. We were a 45 minute drive from town, went 2X a week, once for groceries and once for church. It was a beautiful place, scared of bears and not the boogeyman.I often think of the rural-urban divide, especially when people are discussing the business side of Pluto in Capricorn or diet or socializing or entertainment. Or transportation. Just try to tell someone in the country that they could save the planet by taking the bus. LOL.

  3. Just try to tell a girl who grew up in the ghetto to go play outside and run wild and free in the grass. I hate division tactics.

  4. First of all, PUPPY OMFG.Second of all, it's funny you say that about your Pisces IC because when I watched that video you made a few weeks ago, I was really surprised by how soft your voice is. I have no idea what I expected you to sound like, of course, but it just goes to show that there must have been a different expectation somewhere. (My IC is in Leo, so I will never make a video because my voice is incredibly irritating. 🙂 )I've definitely made a point to check my assumptions a lot more consciously- I know from traveling all over the country that you set yourself up for extreme hostility if you assume that everyone is going to be either a) like you, or b) some kind of dumb bumpkin because of what you imagine about where they live. And of course, others will make all kinds of assumptions about you as well, which really shouldn't offend you if you know where they're coming from. That's the dangerous part about astrology on the web- if you know enough about someone astrologically, it's easy to be like YOU'RE A SCORPIO, I BET YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK TO LISTENING TO THE CURE AND CHOPPING OFF DOLLS' HEADS NOW even if they're fifteen years old and have never actually heard of The Cure. To a point (not as severe, but to a point) it's almost like saying YOU WOMEN, WE KNOW YOU ALL SECRETLY LOVE TWILIGHT AND TALK ABOUT YOUR PERIODS WHEN YOU'RE ALONE.

  5. Hi Neith! First time posting here, I enjoy your blog and your Libran sensibilities. :)Thanks for this post and the adorable puppy picture!

  6. I'm much the same. Online, I come across as talkative and cheerful, ready with a well-turned phrase to the point of glibness, but in real life, I am overly serious, rather taciturn and prefer my own company. A little socializing goes a long, long, looooooooong way for me.Because my Gem ASC shines through online more easily, I have wondered if cyberspace is more universally ascendant-friendly, or whether it's merely the Gemini/communication meshing well with the medium of the Internet.

  7. I also wanted to say that I've met some tarot readers online that have read for me, or they've heard I've had trouble and did a reading and then sent me a message saying 'my cards said…' or they make a reference to an aspect in my chart.That, it is totally appreciated. I was referring to another kind of phenomena which I don't come across too often.I think I'm blathering ::laughs::

  8. Elsa: Huh? I came back on here to show my husband the puppy pic :). We're thinking of getting a pup, now, thanks to Neith. Probably not 'til Spring, though.Lucy, that last paragraph is hilarious. Right on!

  9. PUPPY!! makes me happy as a puppy with two tails to see your new puppy's pic, Neith. What a sweetie.And i hear you about online mis-assumptions (get them all the time) and will take note of the Sat/Plu square's involvement.Thanks a bunch and give the little fellow a hug for me – your puppy, i mean! Who were you assuming i meant? ;p

  10. Wonderfully well balanced and well said piece, thank you Neith.Any cyber connections I've made and then met in person have been delightful..so far, so good!

  11. Neith, this is an awesome post. Also, I think it's really cool that you grew up on a farm. That was a childhood fantasy of mine (I know, it's hard work, but I think my fantasy revolved around having as many kittens as I wanted.) I grew up in farm country, though in a suburban house, so I come from a totally different upbringing even though I lived right *next* to a farm! I appreciate you sharing your perspective and making this important point. I think it's so interesting that two astrologers I read frequently online, you and Elsa, are both from utterly non-urban places.My God, is your new puppy cute! What's her name? Is she a bundle of energy? Border collies are so smart.

  12. Just a quick note to say how much I deeply appreciate all these wonderful comments! Hopefully after today T-Day family gatherings will be behind me and I can return to visit with my cyberfriends. Thanks, guys!! Love ya!! 😀

  13. Oh I'm in love! What are you going to call her? =)Oh I'm pretty secluded myself even though I live in a city. My IC is in Cancer so you can guess how I love being home. haha My street is really quiet and the same people walk by every day and in front of my house there are goats and lots of trees so sometimes it doesn't sound like a city.However I have something to add to you saying we assume other people have the same backgrounds and references than us – that's true. But I often assume that people are very different from me, or that I'm very different from most people, and what is also amazing is when you find that there are more similarities than you imagined at first.

  14. Hey Deb!It's about whether that anger inspires or divides us, and most of the jabber attempts to divide us and is a waste of time. And when it divides us or sounds uber bratty, I get angry and either I make it go away… or I go away.Yeah, I agree with this and use much the same tactics. Remember the post Donna C had the extreme attachment some have to "being RIGHT"? This seems to be an extension of that.Just try to tell a girl who grew up in the ghetto to go play outside and run wild and free in the grass.Sad but true. Our city cousins LOVED to come stay in the summer for a week or two. And I enjoyed those times I stayed with friends & relatives who lived in suburbia. Hey! No endless chores!! The moms loved me because it was ingrained to help in the kitchen, etc.I came back on here to show my husband the puppy pic :). We're thinking of getting a pup, now, thanks to Neith. Probably not 'til Spring, though.heh, heh, heh! She is very cute and all but is a big time investment. We feel confident she has bonded to us and sees our place as "home" so now it's learning manners time. Fortunately we are having some mild weather and I can leave the porch slider open wide enough for her to go in & out whenever. She is scampering and bouncing around playing with leaves! Love it! 🙂

  15. Hey Chrispito!I often think of the rural-urban divide, especially when people are discussing the business side of Pluto in Capricorn or diet or socializing or entertainment. Or transportation. Just try to tell someone in the country that they could save the planet by taking the bus. LOL.Right! What bus???? Though I wish we did have that option at times. Most of us already are living very frugal lives. When people talk about running to WalMart and Costco routinely, I have to take into consideration the closest place for both of those is 40-50 miles away plus an Aries spouse who loathes WalMart . . .PS thank you for increasing your font size.I'm going to go do the same.Accidentally?! :::grin::: there is a font size drop down menu on Blogger's post composing bar. I plan on going with the "larger" option moving ahead.

  16. Hi Lucy! it's funny you say that about your Pisces IC because when I watched that video you made a few weeks ago, I was really surprised by how soft your voice is.It is and doesn't carry worth a darn. Always feel like I'm talking very loud just to make myself heard. Especially in large groups. Neither of my sisters have any problem with that . . . 🙂I've definitely made a point to check my assumptions a lot more consciously- I know from traveling all over the country that you set yourself up for extreme hostility if you assume that everyone is going to be either a) like you, or b) some kind of dumb bumpkin because of what you imagine about where they live. And of course, others will make all kinds of assumptions about you as well, which really shouldn't offend you if you know where they're coming from.Excellent points! With Mercury in Sag sextiling Jupiter right now, the "blurt it out before thinking" is in high gear. Even those of us with naturally reticent Mercury's like mine in Scorpio on the 12th house side of ASC are tempted to leap to conclusions. For those with hot & cold running mouths, it can be a recipe for trouble! I'm bracing for more strum und drang.

  17. Welcome, Alicia!Hi Neith! First time posting here, I enjoy your blog and your Libran sensibilities. 🙂Thanks! The Libra need to present both sides is pretty hard to avoid with as much Libra as i have in my chart. 😀

  18. Country girl here too Neith. Only difference we raised chickens – thousands and oooooooodles of chickens. Caged layers for the restaraunt and hospital trade.That and horses.The only bus I ever saw in the country was the old yellow school bus.I just assume most people are townies and that I'm generally the exception.~dreamsareality

  19. Hi Joe,Because my Gem ASC shines through online more easily, I have wondered if cyberspace is more universally ascendant-friendly, or whether it's merely the Gemini/communication meshing well with the medium of the Internet.A little of both perhaps (how's that for a Libra answer?!) Gemini/Mercury makes sense because there is a natural interest & curiosity at work. For blogging it seems a strong Mercury supported by Saturn/Capricorn is best. I happen to know Lynn Hayes has Gemini rising and she is a very consistent presence. Online, I come across as talkative and cheerful, ready with a well-turned phrase to the point of glibness, but in real life, I am overly serious, rather taciturn and prefer my own company. A little socializing goes a long, long, looooooooong way for me.Oh yeah . . . me too! 😀

  20. Welcome Jude!! Always appreciate comments from other noted astrologers!! And i hear you about online mis-assumptions (get them all the time) and will take note of the Sat/Plu square's involvement.Have you noted any correlations between natal Neptune aspects to the ASC & MC drawing more fire based on wildly incorrect assumptions about the writer? My Moon conjunct Neptune in the 11th has always caused others to see me (both in person & online) as being sympathetic to their beliefs whether I am or not. Usually not that big of a problem and I have been extremely fortunate overall.PUPPY!! makes me happy as a puppy with two tails to see your new puppy's pic, Neith. What a sweetie.She's is getting busier by the day. Thankfully the weather has been nice and she can go in & out during day as she will.

  21. Welcome Lynne! Gee, another wonderful astrologer stops by! Thanks!Wonderfully well balanced and well said piece, thank you Neith.Any cyber connections I've made and then met in person have been delightful..so far, so good!That is very good to hear, Lynne and thank you for your kind words. This post was one of those that practically wrote itself – usually the best ones are like that.

  22. Hi dreamsareality!Country girl here too Neith. Only difference we raised chickens – thousands and oooooooodles of chickens. Caged layers for the restaurant and hospital trade.Good gad! Chickens! My husband's grandparents raised chickens during the Depression and did quite well for themselves. Did you help out with the process growing up?That and horses.Horses are always fun to watch. Easy on the eyes. We lease pasture in the summer for horses. NiceThe only bus I ever saw in the country was the old yellow school bus.Good point! Same here, goes by about 7:45-8:00 AM and again around 4PM.I just assume most people are townies and that I'm generally the exception.Yeah, safe assumption . . . it has been a pleasant surprise to find as many rural folk as I have. 🙂

  23. Maybe Uranus going direct is moving me out of the astrological cyber sphere and into my real, in person relationships, instead.In the real vs. cyber world, at least the friends I hang out with, have a certain set of manners, and boundaries. You're right–we don't know where some of these cyber people come from!!I'm simply not getting anything worthwhile out of my time on line these days.. I have enjoyed your blog,Neith, but from now on I am moving my spiritual and astrological explorations back to my real world, delving into Stephen Arroyo and Forrest, Liz Greene and other teachers I respect ,through books,– and then, talking it over at the monthly gal pal get- together I enjoy. (All of us are astro-aware..) I am looking at the web with new eyes,I guess…I'll miss seeing you online– but you know, we do, as you say, live worlds apart.I do email some of the gentler souls I've met over the years–will stay in touch now and again–Uranus also brought me a fantastic new job,part time,as I had hoped to manifest.. HAPPY HAPPY Holy-days to you Neith! Hugs!MADELINE

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